Keto Diet Rescued ex-Cop Eric Reynolds from Horrors of PTSD - #70

As a cop, Eric Reynolds maintained an active lifestyle, playing basketball and carrying weights. Nevertheless, he dealt with continual injuries.

When he saw himself in the documentary Cops and Cabins , he was shocked. He looked heavy and sick. He knew he had to make a change.

A friend who'd lost 50 pounds mentioned the ketogenic diet. He'd never heard of it. So, he researched what it was and how it worked, including meal planning and macros tracking. It made sense to him, so he decided to try it. In very little time, the weight began dropping away.

More than weight loss and physical changes though, he also experienced improvements in his mental health, perception, and emotional stability.

In this episode, the now-retired police officer talks about his struggles with PTSD and how the carnivore and ketogenic diets have given him a better life.

Quick Guide:
01:05 Introduction
04:05 Developing trauma
12:39 Police work and family life
18:10 Change in his psyche
21:57 Health improvements for cops to enjoy their retirement
25:10 The workout and diet routine
27:59 How keto helped in one’s change in perception
33:35 The Cops and Campers
41:15 Improve other areas of your life to cope with the stress of your job
46:51 Mental clarity and emotional stability
47:50 How Keto Five-O is helping people
52:18 His family’s carnivore diet
1:00:53 Closing and contacts

Get to know our guest:
Eric Reynolds is a retired police officer who advocates ketogenic carnivore lifestyle. He is now a licensed primary sports nutritionist and personal trainer.

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Transcript

S3E16 Eric Reynolds

SUMMARY KEYWORDS

cops, eat, keto, people, life, kids, flag, campground, wife, talk, eric, years, campers, started, carnivore, job, pounds, helping, retired, learning

SPEAKERS

Announcer, Jack Heald, Eric Reynolds, Dr. Philip Ovadia

Announcer  00:10

He was a morbidly obese surgeon destined for an operating table and an early death. Now he's a rebel MD who is Fabulously Fit and fighting to make America healthy again. This is Stay Off My Operating Table with Dr. Philip Ovadia.

Jack Heald  00:36

There we go. Okay, now it's recording. Hey, welcome back, everybody. It's the Stay Off My Operating Table podcast with Dr. Philip Ovadia and the talking hairdo, Jack Heald. And we are joined today by the first member or at least prior member of the law enforcement profession I think we've ever had on the show, Eric Reynolds. Phil, thanks for bringing this guy on. Eric, welcome.

Eric Reynolds  00:59

Thank you. Thank you for having me.

Jack Heald  01:02

Okay, so why is he here, Phil?

Dr. Philip Ovadia  01:05

Well, don't worry, Jack, you're not in trouble. I didn't have to bring the cops in for you. I know. Eric is just one of the amazing people that I've been so fortunate to encounter on this journey and in the metabolic health community. Eric and I first met the leaf about a year ago at one of the conferences, Low Carb USA. And I really was just awed by his story, his background, he has really spent his life in the service of others as a police officer. And since leaving the force, as we'll get into some of the stuff that he has been now doing for health and nutrition, so don't want to give too much away. And why not I turn it over to Eric, so he can introduce himself to our audience. 

Eric Reynolds  02:02

Well, thank you. I don't know where to start. I lost 75 pounds doing the Keto carnivore. I started out in 2018. And it kind of changed my whole direction in life, honestly, from retiring early to selling our house and buying an RV and traveling the country like everything just kind of changed once I realized I was sick, and I was being diagnosed with heart disease, and they wanted to put stents in me, and I was really kind of just confused and scared.

Jack Heald  02:29

So how old were you in?

Eric Reynolds  02:32

In 2018, I would have been approaching, man, I was 49. And they've been hammering the cholesterol thing for years on me and stuff. And my wife's kind of a naturopathic person and she was like, nah,2 you're not taking a stab and all this stuff. Oh man, and she's been a lifesaver, let me tell you.

Jack Heald  02:53

Okay, so 2018 everything, you made a big change in direction. What direction you were going?

Eric Reynolds  03:03

Well, I saw myself in a documentary. It's called Cops and Cabins. And it was about cops going into the mountains in Georgia and not really knowing each other. And we all decompress and we cried, we hugged. We just, there was a safe place for us to really unload a lot of stuff that was on our minds. When I saw that documentary, only like a 10-minute short film, but man, I was heavy, and I looked sick. I really did. And I happen to just go play basketball, like always. I stayed very active all the time. I was just carrying the extra weight which led to like knee injuries and ankle injuries, all this stuff that happens when you're heavy. And one of my buddies lost 50 pounds. And he was like, yeah, it's this thing called keto. I was like, what? Is that a martial arts thing? I didn't know. I had no, never heard of it. No one ever explained it to me. I didn't see it on the news stories, or I wasn't listening to the type of talk shows that talked about it then. And I was like, 50 pounds, right? And he's grabbing the rim and stuff. I'm like, man, so I looked into it. I started reading up on it and I dove in. I started meal prepping a lot more than I used to, really counting calories. I did the whole, not counting calories, count my macros, and everything with my app like, wow, I never knew that was in it. And never knew that was in this and that's when the train just started rolling. Then I lost 20 pounds. Like, I think it was like six weeks. And then it just, after six months, I was down 45 pounds and feeling fantastic. And of course, there's some other things happen in my career where I was going to shooting, getting shot in the line of duty by a bank robber that we shot and killed. So, I was developing over these years PTSD. And when I changed my diet and start feeding my brain real food, it helped me dance with it a little bit and manage it a lot better than anything else I ever had before.

Jack Heald  04:45

Okay, now that is where I wanted. I did a little research on you cause that's what I do. And we had Dr. Chris Palmer on several months ago. He talked about, in fact this is a direct quote, he said all brain dysfunction is metabolic dysfunction. And when I saw your story about PTSD, I immediately thought back to Chris Palmer, and said, okay, I got to drill down here. It's one thing to be on the doctor side of these kinds of issues, but it's another thing altogether to be on the on the sufferer side, I guess. If you don't mind, talk about what PTSD, how you experienced it, first of all, and then let's find out more about a ketogenic diet and PTSD, and how your experience changed.

Eric Reynolds  05:51

I mean, every cop, everybody, probably any armed forces, a lot of people in general have had trauma in their lives. It doesn't have to be a cop in a shooting or anything like that and I didn't understand how that was going to affect me over the years. At that moment, it was just kind of we're getting honored as heroes, we were national officers of the month in Washington, DC. So, you have this feeling almost like of accomplishment, I survived it, woo, thank goodness. And over the years and time, I'm gaining weight at this time, because a lot of stuff was going on at work. I was a new dad; my son was five months old when I got shot. So, I'm holding this little infant all this time thinking, what is the entire work, you see it all the time. So, the what if game and survivor's guilt starts to catch up with you a little bit. Every cop story here, killed, killed, dead body, but it just, it hits home. And I just, I couldn't turn it off. Always running and run and run. And every time I saw Lincoln town car, I'm right back in the car chase. Doesn’t matter where I went and I had to go seek Dr. Hernandez, a University of South Florida. I did some art therapy that really helped me address some issues all through my whole life, but other traumas and it's crying, it's sometimes very therapeutic, letting all this out and discussing stuff that sometimes you forgot about. But this is at the end, when I already started keto, I started that therapy. So, I'm already looking for help and realizing, alright, I can learn how to dance with this. I had to go through workers comp, battle them to get coverage to cover me. The foot injury I have from being shot, oh, they're fine with that. But they can't see the injury up top. So, they put me through this rigorous meeting with lawyers and making me break down just to go get the help I was trying to get. And that's why so many of us don't go get it. Because you got to own it and guys don't want to admit it and then at least the other issues, that's why we're holding everything in. We started dying of heart attacks and that's your specialty. Keep us off your table, right? Oh, look, a lead in. Wow.

Jack Heald  07:54

Okay, so would... go ahead, Phil.

Dr. Philip Ovadia  07:58

Yeah, I would just gonna follow up on that. So, talk about and I know it's hard to maybe separate these but what do you think the impact was of changing the diet versus kind of the therapy and some of the other stuff that you did to tackle the PTSD?

Eric Reynolds  08:20

I did keto. Like I was saying about six months, I lost 45 pounds or so. And then I went for typical blood tests that you get at the department every year, yearly bloodwork came back. The cholesterol is crazy, because it went up even more, because now I'm eating meat. I’m eating more meat and fats and all this stuff. So scared me. Man, am I sure I'm doing the right thing and I went for a CAC score and it was like 1500. And my doctor was freaking out. I'm like, ah, so I started looking online. And I found Dr. Ken Berry, and Dr. David Diamond talking about cholesterol and statins. And then it kind of led me down in another wormhole of other doctors, other people and other resources that say are you don't have to dive into this right now and jump in on any procedures. But I couldn't believe, I read Nina Teicholz’ book, Big Fat Surprise. And I couldn't believe the corruption that I was starting to see. In my police career, we had the opioid epidemic in South where we arrested doctors for pill mills and all kinds of stuff. So, I saw how at least that side of pharmaceutical was hurting us down here and hurting our jobs. And then you got the fentanyl I just got worse and worse. So, I've never been a real big fan of pharmaceuticals to begin with. But I started seeing that so they're trying to get me on pill. I'm just like, I gotta back away. I need to just read up on this more. And then it was obviously Dr. Saladino, I read the Carnivore Code and then you should start like Dr. Kim Barry's book, it just starts to open your mind and then I met Doug Reynolds and then ended up going to nutrition school who thought this whole topic was going to go outside his comfort zone, start learning words and my wife had to help me pronounce, man, it was crazy.

Jack Heald  10:04

All right, I want to go back to the PTSD. That's okay. That's why I'm here. Keep everybody on track. So, for you, it was obsessive thinking you just couldn't turn off the thoughts?

Eric Reynolds  10:20

It was not letting my wife go to grocery shopping list. Either I was with her, or I just went because I'm thinking, let's go to whatever supermarket, sometimes there's active shooters, right? Well, let me just go and then it's let's not go out to dinner, let's order in, let's not go over to family functions as much because I'm tired, I need to decompress. I just want to watch the game, I don't want to go to a family and that slowly builds over time, I never wore my uniform outside of that apartment or the house, I got to the point where I had an unmarked car, even though a lot of them are cars you know but at least because there's this fear when you're pulling up to a red line and on a marked car, you're gonna just get shot at by some nutcase that's just having a bad day so, and you've seen it. So, all that was happening. I couldn't wait to find out and started looking up retirement options for me where there's gonna be a disability on PTSD in my foot, because I had another surgery and some other complications with it. And I found out I could retire at 50 years old with the amount of time I had, I had like, a year and a half left. And that was my goal. Get out while I can and as the stress left my body, and I started looking towards the future, like out of police work, what am I going to do? It started, I don't know, a lot of cops tend to fall back and other police work. I did not want to get into police work and I might, apart when you start losing 50 pounds, cops start to notice like, man, how do you go down from a 42 to a 36? and I go, man, I got so much information to tell you, we've been getting a lot of tea, right? I just start, I go, you got to eat real food and all that I was like cutting out processed foods from guys. And all of a sudden, I had a little following, guys in my department, guys and gals and records associates, people losing weight. And then that empowered and now it gave me another direction besides a sadness I saw and police work all the time, because you're never really going anywhere for anything good. Right? Now, I'm doing something good. in the beginning of my career, I'm like, Yeah, we're gonna save the world. And then the sooner you figure it out, I can only save what you can. It's sad and you see it every day. So, this was a whole new jumpstart for me. And it motivated me and then they just kept calling me from Hawaii Five-O, Keto Five-O, Keto Five-O. And then it just kind of stuck and because keto is what got me to my healthy state right now.

Dr. Philip Ovadia  12:39

How much did you, I would say police officers probably have a reputation of being unhealthy. And all the cliches about eating the donuts, and you're riding around a lot, but it's obviously a job that involves a lot of physicality. And you would think that most police officers should and need to be in optimal physical health. But obviously, there's a lot about the job that works against that things like shift work and, and maybe, yeah, yeah, all the stress, obviously, all works against it, but talk a little bit about looking back and I know you might not recognize that at the time, but how do you think being in poor physical shape impacted you on the job? And how do you see that now and the peak, the clients you work with the other law enforcement officers that you work with, how their poor health might be impacting their performance?

Eric Reynolds  13:52

Yeah, it's always the same story. You get out of the academy, you're all fit, ready to go and then over the 20-year, 30-year career, you can just see all the guys blew it up and it's not just the police work. It's everything, diet and their own personal stresses and stuff in life, working so much. I found that I was eating okay, but I like sandwiches. I'm like Joey from Friends, give me a sub any day of the week so I would get lots of subs and bread and I didn't realize how detrimental that was and how my body was storing it all the time, storing that energy and when you're in a police car, you're not really in TV, you're running after bad guys. You may get that once a week maybe. And now, for the most part your heart pounding every call you go to and you search in a building, you walk, pulling a car over, that's the stuff that's wearing you down or wearing you out, the adrenaline rush of the radio, that alert tone goes off. What's it going to be? Is it gonna be a dead cop, bank robbery, a child choking? So, there's a lot anxiety that happened within the job. So, when I started getting away, I got lucky that there was an evidence job that opened up six months after my shooting in 2013. I put in for evidence and I got the evidence job. So, I was able to ride the evidence job, bankers’ hours, kind of eight to four, Monday to Friday. I wasn't out there handling on calls, it was a perfect place for me to kind of hide out. But I learned a lot now that I was part of a lot of investigation, and a lot of things happen. And I was like, maybe I can fall into this later on in life, just do evidence, I don't have to go out there and save the world. And I'll just be in house so I got kind of into that world. And but, I was still dealing with it. Even though I'm not out there on the road, listen to the radio all day, you don’t think that's doing stuff you're wondering, hey, that guy didn't answer the dispatch. And then they had alerts. It just was constant all the time. But when we retired, and I say that my wife was with me this whole journey, and we started traveling the country, go on and see like the five great lakes within a week, we've been homeschooling our kids since 2018. We didn't have a crystal ball. It was just the things were feeling right at that moment. And what my son needs as an active, like warrior, little male, he needs to run that energy off before he can concentrate. Almost like a dog, you got to take him to the park. Right. So that's it.

Jack Heald  16:14

That is, it's got nothing to do with the subject of this podcast. But I just got to jump in. That is such wisdom. I raised two boys myself. I've got eight grandsons. Oh my god, the idea of putting those poor little guys in a desk and making them sit for six hours a day.

Eric Reynolds  16:37

He would come home and he would explode. And we're like, what's wrong with this maniac? What's going on? It’s because just everything's built up and he's trying to be good all day long. Get in line. Stop talking. So, I went to my first homeschool meeting. I was sold. I did a lot of community outreach stuff when I was a police officer. I talked to a lot of young kids. And I was impressed at talking with these kids. I mean, there was a stigmatism when I was younger and 80s with homeschool. But it's totally flipped, man. Some of these kids are already graduating by 16. They're starting college, if that's the direction you want to go. They don't divide them up in so many topics. Like if you're good in math and science, well, let's ride that train. Keep going. Right? Why waste your time with some that's just going to interfere with your real learning and what you want to do. And it could be building stuff, whatever. So, traveling the country waking up with my boys, which I've never told, I wasn't an RV guy. I never did any of that. My wife and doctor dated me with tiny house shows. And I'm like this lady's crazy. And I grew up, Miami big house, big dreams, South Beach, like I'm on a boat, jetski. She's trying to get me to move into a box. But yeah, we run in a couple of trailers. And it was some good visual, like the beach or something, in the woods. And I was like, man, I could do this, do that for about four or five years. And then we'll find a place we got home, which we don't know where it is yet. But that's when I realized, thank goodness I got out of that career. Because I didn't realize what that did to my psyche on a day-to-day basis. And being back in South Florida like I am right now, brings it all back. Okay, now I'm a cop again.

Jack Heald  18:10

Okay, unpack that psyche thing, you just said what it did to your psyche and how you have changed? 

Eric Reynolds  18:19

Well, during that time, I started, I discovered carnivore and went more of a meat-based diet, I lost another 25 pounds, I got down to 180 pounds. I saw my abs for the first time ever, never had abs before. They say oh, they're there and well, I never had them or they were under my fat is what happened. So, I couldn't believe it. And the way I was feeling, my energy, it was just, it was mind blowing, and then getting rid of the stressful job. I could sleep. I didn't have somewhere to be. I could be at home, my kids, how cool is that? I was an older dad in my 40s having young kids and everyone laughed at me. Hey, grandpa, you can be the old guy at the baseball field. Now I look younger than all those 30 or 40-year-old guys and I'm 53 now. Yeah. So, I mean, it was just tremendous. And if people see and then you start helping more people, it just grows.

Jack Heald  19:07

I was looking at your photos. I guess this was probably one where you were being awarded valor or something, maybe when you were shot. And I had all these other photos of you. Recent, now kind-of photos. And for a while I couldn't figure out who the heck you were. Well, which one is Eric? Ah, astonishing, with all that extra weight around your face. I mean.

Eric Reynolds  19:39

It was crazy. Well, I look back now and it's like, wow, and I joke with my wife. I go, you ended up, I go, you didn't have to divorce me, you traded me in for a new man. And I got more energy. I mean, I'm chasing her around. She's like, Get away from me. We already got two boys but I'm like you understand what carnivore does to me. I want to reproduce now. I'm just kidding. But it's definitely helped me my energy levels out with the young boys running around with them. I couldn't believe like you were saying, looking back at those pictures, and I thought I looked all right. I really did. I didn't, I got down at 211 pounds back in I think it was 2007, we were doing some calendar pose with cops in tight shirts. And so, it wasn't too risqué. But I was like, Man, I still want to look good for, right? Run in training like egg, egg whites with turkey bacon is all about, man, and I thought it looked pretty good. I mean, I'm like 30 pounds lighter than that. It's just, I mean, this is where my body rocks right here it stays. I can go up a little bit. If I watch, if I start holidays, I would have bagels too many or something like that, I don't do donuts. And I never did donuts my whole career. And then I felt like, wow, this is what I should have probably did for the last 30 years, all along, right? All along. And that's how we raise our boys. Our boys eat clean. We're not crazy. We bring our own like almond flour cupcakes to a birthday party. He still gets to enjoy it. And who cares? It seems to look at us, the parents. The other kids don't give a crap what this kid is, he's not eating pizza. He's eating cauliflower pizza or whatever. The parents are like, oh, I don't know if I could ever do that. That’s your kid. You’re doing cocaine at a party and you let your kid just start doing it? I mean, come on. My kids are awesome. I'm really seeing what a nice, because I grew up in the 80s with pop tarts, Corn Pops, corn flakes, all that garbage. And they were testing it on its back then oh, let's throw in the corn. Let's see how they react to that. And it hit me by the time I was 20. I was obese. Even though I played football. That's why I play lineman. You're thrown out there passes, you're gonna go black or go tackle somebody from the line. So, man, I would love to play football and sports at this size?

Dr. Philip Ovadia  21:57

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Talk a little bit more about that. Talk about your experience trying to lose weight, trying to improve your health prior to keto? And then what were your thoughts like when you discovered keto, your coworker clued you in and you started learning all this stuff. What, what kind of thoughts did that bring up for you?

Eric Reynolds  22:24

I realized how influenced I was on the no fat, low fat like you've seen in the magic pill and all these fat fiction movies and stuff like that. You just I was like, oh, my God, that was us. That was us. Yep, we did that. We ate that, we ate that, we ate that, and it kind of made me angry, because then I started researching the FDA, and the nutrition councils and all this stuff and you got a post today about what's his name, was it back in 1972 with the food, them making the decisions about what we're going to eat. And then I realized I've been chasing cartels and bad guys my whole life; I'm still doing it. It's just a food cartel, or it's a farm or insurance cards, they are all involved with each other. And it's just so sad that I would have been a guy probably getting operated on in the next 5, 10 years away. I had a guy named Joe Crowder, where my cop buddy passed away of a heart attack jog, and he was our canine guy, rock star, chiseled. Typical story you hear about a guy that dies when he's running. But he had little heart issue a few years before and they put stents in it. Right? So, I'm not, no, they never said the stents had anything to do with him like, he had any what was it, whether the term was a stent thrombosis or something like that. I mean, they never said any of that. Right? And when they were talking to me about stents, that's when I just started reading up on it. Can we reverse this? Luckily, so far, I haven't gone back to get that CAC score, but I don't like all that radiation in my body, but I'm just going based on my A1C’s 5.1 and all my markers I'm looking at, I'm like, all right I've been the best I've ever been, why am I gonna mess with this? And it's just been an awesome ride, man. And being able to help people and starting this whole Keto Five-0 group, and everywhere I go, I put up my cop flag and I meet veterans and firemen, and that's what Cops and Campers is designed to do. Get us together as therapy. And then we talked about that. Yeah, I can’t say no beer, and then they're gonna be all mad. So, I gotta bring him in. Alright, let's have some beers, let’s have some barbecue, and then we'll start peeling the layers back to get you healthy so you can enjoy your retirement.

Jack Heald  24:40

Eric, I wanted to ask you, you're traveling. I mean, you’re basically, your home has wheels now? Is that right?

Eric Reynolds  24:47

Yeah, we have a home location which is a family house that different siblings have lived in based on who has new kids and whatever. So, we still have a home base but we sold our house and bought a truck and trailer, I got a big F350 dually. And we tell our house, it's crazy. I can't believe I do it. we're driving down the road, I can't believe my whole life is behind this. Okay?

Jack Heald  25:10

You are a very fit looking dude. How do you work out? What do you do for workouts?

Eric Reynolds  25:17

All right, well, always working out my whole life, trying to get big and not using, I was never a big supplement guy. I never did roids or anything like that. I never got big, I was like, I should be the size of Arnold Schwarzenegger as much weight as I've lifted in my life, right? And a lot of it was the wrong kind of lifting. Maybe I was more to concentrating on my chest and arm, typical guys. Never really concentrating on my core. And when I saw my abs doing a little bit of core work, I was like, oh, I want to try some more and then Dr. Ben's book was A 15 Minutes to Fitness, I learned resistance training, which is doing a full body workout. I kind of split them in half, I do upper body and lower body because I'd like to get a little more in. And it's just time under tension. It's resistance training, like, I'll do a set for 90 seconds. And I may only do three reps. And meanwhile, the guy next to me just on 15 jerking it up pounding his joints meanwhile, I'm all going veins are popping, I'm jacked. I'm sweating just because I've been holding the weight for so long. Pull Ups, lots of pull ups, I could never do pull ups in my life. Got a portable pull up bar that has pins, you set it up, my kids are doing a bunch, they motivate me and now I'm up to like eight. I never could do it. And a lot of those guys you'll see on Instagram that are doing like the pull ups and they have the legs out and they're like super strong. I'm like, how's his shoulder able to do that? And I started looking at stuff like that. And like standing handstands and even standing on your head trying to hold it and all kinds of just different stuff to get the body moving. Tag with my kids, I'm running after him. They’re exhausting. but hey, they saved me, man. I'm telling them. I tell them every day. You big boys saved my life, because the direction I was going. And so, I started looking at my life a little more closely and it was pretty impactful talking to those guys.

Jack Heald  27:08

So, is your primary means of staying fit what you eat?  It's not your workouts?

Eric Reynolds  27:14

No, it's not my workouts at all. I mean, it helps to tune you up. And for me, it helps with my own mental issues with whether it's, I've only been retired three years. And when you've been working since you were 14. It's Monday comes and it's still a psychological process. Oh, it's Monday. Do I have court today? Do I have this? I gotta go to work, to grind. I mean hold up. I'm at the beach. It's chill. It's Papa Gummy. Let's go walk the beach. Right. So. And then I still battle it. Weekends, I have more fun in my head than during the week. I should have just as much fun on a Wednesday, Thursday, right? But it's tough to break that cycle?

Jack Heald  27:59

So yeah, I see any direct connection in that year and a half that you were keto and still a cop with your mental health where a change in diet was effective in helping you have a better a better experience mentally.

Eric Reynolds  28:23

The best thing that happened to me was I stopped sitting down to work because when I was in evidence, we have a desk and you sit, well, I hurt my back about a year before I started keto. I got one of those desks that goes up and down and start standing. It’s better for my back. Well, then I started moving my feet around. I got one of those that count your steps and all of a sudden, I'm at 9000 steps, I'm like, I'm gonna do a lap around the department. I'm gonna get to a thousand. When I started, my energy level increased so much because of this. Obviously, I’m putting more fat and protein in my body and less process seed oils and all this other stuff. And then my met, like, I was fine. Like, I could multitask. Like I was like getting evidence for a homicide trial and being able to count the things and then phone call, and it was just like, I was not making little mistakes I used to make before with maybe you're just thinking a little slow. You didn't feel like it being lazy, which I didn't realize a lot of it was my diet. But man, it was like I was shot out of a gun.

Jack Heald  29:20

Okay, well. Well, I want to I want to highlight that because I think that may be really important. Phil. He said his perception of himself was lazy, which was why he couldn't, why he wasn't sharp multitasking. And that changed with keto. Is that a common experience? Have you heard of folks dealing with that kind of self-perception that changes?

Dr. Philip Ovadia  29:52

Yeah, I mean, I would even say that's something I've dealt with myself and I've experienced myself. I mean since making all of these changes, I look at all the things that I've done in my life starting second, third business, starting to practice all of this, podcasting, I cannot imagine myself doing this, being on camera and doing the podcasting back when I was unhealthy, back before I changed my diet. And I think that's a part that gets missed in this conversation a lot. We focus on the weight loss, and we focused on the lab work and the heart scans3, all of that stuff. But oftentimes, we lose. And I'd love to hear Eric's perspective on this. We lose sight of the fact that when you get intentional about one part of your life, about what you're eating, that makes you more intentional about all the other parts of your life. And you really start to examine what you're doing, and where you're going, and what your goals are. And this is a story again, that I hear over and over from my patients from other physicians in the space. But I'd love to hear Eric's thoughts on that.

Eric Reynolds  31:17

Yeah. Like you're saying, you start firing on all cylinders, right? You're thinking clearly, my organization skills, I mean, I didn't go discover anything. I'm not a multimillionaire or anything like that. But here I am, running 2 companies, the Cops and Campers and Keto Five-O, trying to help people, something I never thought I would ever do, like, trying to understand websites and Twitter and being in Instagram, like, that's the furthest thing I ever want to do when I retired. And here I am, in this world of trying to spread the word me, obviously, guys like you and do as much talking about as I can. And I was the shy guy in school too, man, I didn't like to talk in front of people and here I am yapping all the time at trailer parks with people. And I just, I think the command presence thing as a cop showing up sometimes and just doing it because you have to, that kind of prepared me for this life to where, and it's not so bad, because I've gone through a lot worse. And I'm talking about something I love and I'm passionate about so yeah, it got me motivated, dedicated, it was crazy.

Jack Heald  32:22

So, I just want to speak to our listeners real quickly. I know, this is a common experience for a lot of young men, I should be getting more done. I'm lazy. I'm just not organized. I'm not where I need to be in my life. If you've had those kinds of thoughts running, like a merry go round through your brain, I'm going to recommend that you consider the possibility that what you're dealing with is a metabolic issue. That the fuel you're using to drive your machine is not allowing you to operate the way the machine was designed to operate. And you know that. You know it in your gut you've got more in. You know you are capable of and have the potential for far more than you're doing. And the problem is the fuel you're feeding yourself. You're stuck. We got Keto Five-O here who's walking proof of the change. Okay, well and Dr. Ovadia too, good Lord.

Dr. Philip Ovadia  33:35

Yeah. So very well said, Jack. And let's talk about some of the things that this has led you to do, Eric. So, let's start with Cops and Campers. Tell us tell us more about that.

Eric Reynolds  33:52

I don't know if you guys know the backstory on it at all. I was at a campground in 2021. Every campground I go to, I put up my American thin blue line flag, honors my fallen brothers and sisters. My mom's retired homicide sergeant from Miami Dade. So, it's been, it's in my blood. And I put it up and every other campground we go to, that's how I meet veterans where I meet families on law enforcement. Oh, my son’s a cop in Baltimore or whatever. You’re just shooting the shit. And this campground asked me to take the flag down. And I was like, why? The guy rolled up in a golf cart, didn't get out, didn’t introduce himself, and goes, hey, you need to take down your flag. I thought it was busting my chops. Like he was gonna say, hey, I'm retired, blah, blah, blah? And he was like, no, you need to take it down. Oh, you're serious. So, I turned on my phone. It was weird being on this side of it. Well, I'm gonna film you but here I am doing it. And I asked him again. I go, what did you told me to do? Here it comes, guess what's coming in me. Guess what's starting to boil, right? I'm getting the red. And I go, what do you tell me? And he goes, you need to take down your Thin Blue Line flag. And I just started the videos out there on my YouTube channel, you can tell I start to stumble on my words because my brain just starting to freak out. Right? And I said some profanity as I walk up to them and then the camera shuts off, right. I didn't do anything. I walked away and then I vented and I go touch the flag and see what happened. They tell the manager out. And then she's sitting there telling me to take the flag down because it's a modified flag. It's not a real American flag and behind her, there's my flag blown. It's pretty funny on the video, but I ended up putting it in my truck because we just drove six hours from Niagara Falls. And my fam, we'd already settled in; I'm not going to move us right now in a temper tantrum. So, I put up everything because if you have the flag on your camper, that's your property. That's in the ground, I guess technically, they own it. So, they have a right. So, this camping group that was a part of, I kind of went on Twitter and reached out to a couple of cop buddies that were they dunked on podcast and Law Enforcement Today did a story on it. Well, then cops started, I stayed for a whole week, I didn't leave, I ended up putting out tablecloths with thin blue lines. They said flag. Everything I had outside was police related except for the flag, right? And then other cops are walking up to me, they're in a yeah, they told me take down my flag last week. I'm like, this has been going on more than me, right? So, I ended up starting this group, we want to go to pro-cop, pro-first responder campgrounds, like why give them our money, they're not going to want our flag there. And there are some issues there that happened the year of 2020 when they had the riots and nobody liked cops. And so, there was some background there. But they had Canadian flags up like Canadian flag what are you talking about, right? So, I got suspended from the camping group because the video ended up 1000 trails and they go Oh, you were belligerent to our staff, you're suspended two months. So, I couldn't book anywhere at this camping that we pay money to camp. And four different campsites in upstate New York heard about and they all called us and said, hey, bring your camper, your flag and your family. You got two weeks on us at Cape Vinson, or it was in Ithaca, New York, it was in Chautauqua and all these places that I never knew existed. And my wife's from New York City, I know there existed. All up there and the Canadian border stuff, right? 

Jack Heald  37:16

All right, I'm gonna pause you right there for a minute, Eric, for a little lesson in persuasion, what you did, not necessarily intentionally, but you drew a line in the sand. Although you didn't know, you weren’t aware it was a line in the sand when you put that flag up. You took a stand for what, who you are and what you believe in. And the result that you experienced is what anybody who wants to engage in persuasion must do, and will experience. If you take a stand, what's going to happen? The world, the typical world falls into three categories, there's about 30% of the people who are going to love you regardless of what you do, 30% of people who are going to hate you regardless of what you do, and the battle of the mind is for that 40% in the middle. And what you did, by putting that flag up, you announce to the 40% and the 30% who are gonna hate you, where you stood. And inevitably, what happens is, you attract those who wouldn't know about you otherwise, and repel those who are going to hate you anyway, and don't know they're gonna hate you. And the beauty of all that this is just basic human psychology. I'm a marketer, by trade,

Eric Reynolds  38:39

I feel like I'm on your couch right now, this is good.

Jack Heald  38:41

Oh, that's, I want to encourage people because there's so much fear about taking a stand in about anything. If you announce that you're, anyway, not gonna go down that road. I just love that on the one hand, you pulled out the 30% who hate you there in the campground, you can't put this up, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And those people are going to hate you anyway. As soon as they find out anything about you, they're gonna hate you, they will not stand with you. But as a result of having taken that public stand, drawing a public line in the sand, you also attracted to yourself, people who never would have been attracted otherwise. So, the idea that 100% of the people are going to love us is just falling. You got to accept the fact that at most 70% of the people are going to love us 30% are going to hate us and repelling the 30% at the exact same time that you're repelling those who will hate you, you're attracting those from the middle who don't know what to think about you. It's a beautiful, powerful way of creating a community of like-minded people. So, I commend you. And I commend that technique to my audience.

Eric Reynolds  40:04

Well, thank you. And it turned into such a positive thing. Hudson Valley News came out and did a story on it. A big frog had me interview on the radio show, and that's how the word got out there for the campsite to reach out. And then this summer in June, we had the first inaugural Cops and Campers' event at the first campsite at Spruce Row in Ithaca, New York, he was the first one to call me, hey, bring your stuff. And it was a cop weekend with a band. We had national guard out there with bounce houses, campground was sold out, guys just hanging around campfires and never met each other. They're from different cities, different counties, different family, hadn’t had anybody from another country, but hopefully, and we did a 30-minute documentary on it, where we interview some of the cops and families and see how this type of therapy, getting them out together in a retreat setting. Camping, come on, everyone loves camping, right? And then you meet a guy or you meet a couple of people, and now you have a little circle, a little bond. So, when you can, hey, let's go camping next month together. It's another way for us like minded authors that have been through trauma. And maybe we're not surrounded by our friends anymore, because we're not on shift. And it's just been fantastic.

Jack Heald  41:15

I have a question for you. And Phil, actually, I should throw this one to both of you. I dated an ICU nurse for a long time. And she worked the overnight shift. And I noticed that she and almost all of her friends all had a common set of characteristics. They were all poorly, in poor shape, wildly out of shape in many cases. They were, they all had what I would characterize as a really short fuse away from a patient's bedside. And kind of just a whole host of various health maladies that I felt were all related to the job. Now, the same thing with positions, Phil? Same thing with cops, Eric?

Eric Reynolds  42:19

Yeah, I was on edge, I was irritable, I became somebody I never was before in my career and it still shows itself now in my parenting skills, sometimes. I'm working on it. I mean, I'm not beating them over the head with anything, but I can be a bit abrasive and I try to work on that and try to use, educate them. And that's why my wife, she's the perfect ying and yang for me, she's able to like, alright, let's use our words and explain this, not yell.

Dr. Philip Ovadia  42:48

Yeah, I would say it's certainly something I see commonly among nurses, physicians, the stress of the job. When your body is constantly dealing with stress, when it constantly in that stress state, and that stress can come from lots of different things. It can come from your job, it can come from your relationships, it can come from the food you're eating, these processed foods, these metabolically unhealthy foods, are stressing your body to try and deal with them. And when you're constantly sort of at that low to moderate level of stress, and then you add another stressful event on top of it. The patient goes bad, or the kids are misbehaving or whatever it is, now you're up to that red line level, instead of going from calm to a little bit stress, you've gone from a little bit or moderate stress that just off the charts and I think that's a very real phenomena. And like I said, we might not be able to change our job situations. The reality is that some people need to do these jobs. But if we improve the other areas, like the diet that are contributing to that chronic stress, again, then we can bring the baseline level down, and now the stresses that come with the job don't put us to the red line level, they put us to kind of moderate level and we can deal with that a lot better. So, something again that I see that I've experienced in myself. I deal a lot better today with those really stressful situations as a heart surgeon than I did when I was an unhealthy heart surgeon.

Jack Heald  44:49

Talk more about that, Phil. Yeah, unpack that a little bit for us. What's that look like?

Dr. Philip Ovadia  44:56

It looks like if I'm up all night operate, which occasionally happens, in the past, you didn't want to be around me the next day, my wife or my kids or whoever it was, or just being at work the next day and dealing with what would normally be minor issues that seem like I did not react well to, and today I can deal with it a lot better. I can deal with being up all night and being through those stressful situations. And it's just, again, it's something that we don't, we can't quantify it, as well as the weight loss or a lab marker. But it's very real. And I think many of the patients I work with, many of the people I interact with in the metabolic health space, they all have a similar story around whatever it is in their life, however, that translates to their life, whatever it's talking about. It's a very common side effect, let's say, of getting metabolically healthy.

Jack Heald  46:09

Well, let's say, it's one of the key benefits. If you're listening to this, and your focus is on eh, I'm fat, I need to lose weight and you're struggling, maybe add this additional benefit. It's not merely a physical improvement. It's a mental clarity, and emotional stability, that you may never remember having experienced. By getting your body healthy, your mind and your emotions tend to follow along. Would that be accurate to say for you, Eric?

Eric Reynolds  46:51

Yeah, so I'll start with my gut health once, that's why I tell people a carnivore diet was a great way for me to have like an elimination diet because I always threw vegetables in at a guilt my whole life. So, I gotta have broccoli, and then cauliflower was a good friend in the Keto days. It helped me with a lot of dishes and stuff like that. But then, man, once I pretty much went eggs and bacon and maybe a little fat bomb now and then or some and I need to destress now and then, I'll mix a little vodka with sparkling water. I won't use soda. I just know and it takes the edge off. But, man, it was night and day, the way my focus was on. And then when I started losing weight, I start feeling more confident. That's another thing. You start feeling good. Oh, I look a little better. These pants aren't as tight. So, there's a whole thing going on. Oh, I'm out another notch. Holy cow. This is awesome. and I was going the opposite direction all the years like, oh, again, a little tight.

Dr. Philip Ovadia  47:50

So, talk some about Keto Five-O now. We talked about Caps and Campers. What’s Keto Five-O? What do you do there?

Eric Reynolds  47:59

Well, when I tried to, I think I was talking with Doug Brown, who was a low carb USA, one day online and trying to sign up with his network. And I told my story. I've lost all this way. And I was helping cops. I was just a coach that and he goes, oh, man, you should come on the podcast, episode 50. So, if we're Keto Five-O, that's kind of cool. I was like, oh, episode 50. And after we got done, he goes, have you ever thought about going to see Jeff Cotterman and maybe get a nutritionist license or something, start really diving into this. So, I was like, Ooh, more school. Typical guy, I don't want to learn anything new but talking to my wife, and I was like, hey what, have you already been helping people? Why don't dive more into this? And over that whole COVID summer in 2020, I was studying as we were traveling and doing everything online, finding proctors at the library to help or proctors to help me do testing and then I'm on video doing push up, that’s what training to me because I got the personal training license as well. And I already own the company Keto Five-O, I just thought it was gonna be something. I didn't know I was gonna do it. I felt like it was pretty good I could help cops with across the country. I would love to go to different departments and just talk to these guys and have some type of presentation and maybe I can save them all but a couple of guys might say and I need to follow what this guy's doing. Yeah, because look at him. He's like me, I was in the same boat as him and I can relate to these guys. So that was their original goal of the Keto Five-O, not just cops, first responders from fire. I got firemen buddies that I help out and talk to and it's grown. I mean, I'm not frosty. I'm still traveling around a trailer. It's not like we're flying and doing anything fancy. But what, I have a lot more passion and happiness with this career than I did previously. I mean, the cop job was honorable. It was man it was I met some friends for life. And we went through some turmoil and there's a lot of things that happen and I don't want to go back to that life. And this has set me free man and keto, you hear different words about it. I just, I don't preach keto is pretty much eat real food, whether you want to go more vegetables than this, just make sure you're not getting the ones that have been sprayed with Monsanto's crap and all this other stuff and if you do want to try meat, like my wife doesn't like eat lamb because they're cute. Man, lambs are delicious, right? So, you gotta kind of see what works for, she doesn't eat pork, like well, I do. I'm a cop. What do you think I'm gonna do? And I worked on a farm for last summer for three months. We took the family there and they paid us. Sorry, it's Cops and Campers but it’s related to keto, and we work for our food, steaks, revise rose, they got eggs and stuff for us. And here I am driving a tractor. I never drove a tractor. I'm kid from Miami suburb here, right? Here I am in a tractor. Oh my god, I'm driving a tractor and then we're slaughtering animals, he's teaching us how to do it and what a brutal thing that is. But my 10-year-old son, he got introduced to that life right away. But it made me appreciate, maybe I want to have my own food one day or have our own farm or maybe have a retreat program where people come not only getting themselves healthy nutrition-wise, but also mental. Maybe a campground be called Cops and Campers. And that'll be the campground where I have events. I don't know, I'm getting a lot of room for people wanting to go across the country with it. The keto business, I just pick up as I go, I'm in a gym, somebody will say, man I looked you up, what is about this keto thing, and I just talked to hey, here's my scan code. I got a bunch of friends that are a lot smarter in this topic and there's other doctors you can go to if your doctor is not on board, there's a network out there you can find and I'm trying to get my mom away from her doctors right typical person that finds himself getting healthy right now you'd want to save the people around you. And then there's sometimes the toughest people to try to save, right? They've seen it. They see me lose almost 80 pounds. I'm right here in front of your eyes. And it's still it's hard and it's tough once you get somebody to finally crack in there, like my mom is like alright mom, right? I got somebody in Nashville or I got somebody in Greenville or let's get this done. Just start talking to somebody else besides me because she's probably tired of me yapping about it.

Jack Heald  52:18

Talk about your keto, I mean, your carnivore diet. What's that? What does that include and exclude? I think I know what it is for Phil, but I want to hear what it is for you because...

Eric Reynolds  52:31

I've been fasting lately. I don't, like right now I haven't eaten and I may not eat till one or two o'clock but I usually well, I break my fast around seven o'clock with a bone broth and coffee and heavy cream. So, 10, I got to look I'm breaking the fast but for me I jumpstart my energy level. I'm able to go to the gym, do some stretching outside because normally when I go outside, I'm usually at a park or usually somewhere and it's beautiful, trees, right now, my brother in law's driveway. So, it's not the same vibe but we had to stay out of our campground for a week to go back in. So yeah, and then I usually, I grill a lot. We will have rib eyes, have gone up so of New York strip. So, I make my buddies by that former when we go to lunch and then I just do a lot of the hamburger. A lot of ground, a lot of eggs, bacon, we do roast because when I was on the farm, we had an animal that came with us on our trip. So, we have a freezer in our trailer with half an animal. And we just, his name was Incredible. Incredible bull. And he's delicious but he's starting to run low. So, we're like, oh, what are we gonna do? But that's pretty much it, man. And it's crazy.

Jack Heald  53:45

Cheese of any kind? 

Eric Reynolds  53:48

Yeah, I did cheeses. My wife's more on their lactose. So, they do a lot of goat cheese and raw goat milk. And I'll still get a block and chatter, not the cheap stuff. But something I know it's going to, it's a perfect fix. Sometimes it just means that might just break off a hunk of cheese and throw it out and keep doing what I'm doing or something. Cheeses. I'm trying to think what else I usually do. I did some organic or Oregon supplements from couple of companies and money owners got in trouble recently for coming on some stuff. But anyways, I still believe in a lot of that stuff. It seems to work good for me and my kids. I'll do that. And then lots of salt mineral like, we have minerals because we have a lot of water. Water we drink is very, totally nothing in it because we have a super-duper water filtration system. So, we got to have mineral sterile water, and stuff like that and collagen and it's not that hard. It's just expensive. I can eat to rib eyes and now I'm out 40 bucks. And then now my 10-year-old can eat a ribeye. Oh, here we go. All right. So

Jack Heald  54:59

What are you kids? How are your kids doing?

Eric Reynolds  55:02

What did you say, Phil?

Dr. Philip Ovadia  55:04

It was, yeah, Jack was asking about the kids. And then I was gonna just say what would you say to the people who say it's too hard to do that? I can't do that. I can't just eat meat. I love to hear both of those answers.

Eric Reynolds  55:20

I've always been a heavy meat eater my whole life. So, I think I was a little different than a lot of other people that I met so actually, I'm finding guys are like 10 years younger me, didn't nearly eat the amount of red meat, especially as I did growing up. If I had Salisbury steak and a TV dinner, now they're not even getting a steak. They're getting some processed, little grain whatever the crap it is. So that's what just got me going. But where were you saying, Jack? What was your question? I'm sorry. Yes, that's right.

Jack Heald  55:49

Well, I want to know, how your kids eat and how old they and how they eat.

Eric Reynolds  55:56

They're 10 and 7. They were both breastfed to almost three years old, my wife went natural. So, there was no chemicals going through my kids' bodies or anything. And that's kind of when it started this whole new journey, because we go to some birthing classes. And here I am getting off a shift with my vest on and I'm sitting on a pillow and we're all holding hands. I'm like, what is this? Is this a seance? It was called the Bradley method and it talked about empowering your woman and other stuff, right? So, I did it. And I learned a lot though and how my wife wanted to have a baby and have a birthing plan, and just opened my eyes, and with them being breastfed, and then we would introduce something and we could see the effects of it, whether it was wheat, or whether it was maybe the lactose, she ended up eating a lot of dairy, she makes her own yogurt. So, I think she overdid it on yogurt and certain things but they eat more carbs than I do. They don't have, we don't do as much grains, like a lot of walnuts, olives in the morning. Obviously, eggs, one of my sons has a sensitivity to eggs. So, he can only have it like every couple of days. And it depends on the egg and where it came from. We're learning like, if it's corn-fed chicken, then he has a reaction. But if they're real chicken that just living naturally, and eating that garbage, he doesn't have a reaction. So, we're learning that, why really it’s important about eating like a corn-fed cow versus a grass fed there is a difference and that type of meat. I want to go down the eggs, I want to go down so many other factors so they eat, we'll do like millet bread, my wife makes sourdough bread, four ingredients. It's not that she can't stay out typical stuff. She makes bone broth. Every morning, they have bone broth tea and that gets them going. And that if anything, they're understanding all this everything I talked about you guys and my friends and family, they're hearing it, my kids are already a 10-year-old, he's reading the back of the boxes now. He's like, look dad, there’s corn syrup. And I’m like, yeah because I want him to know.

Dr. Philip Ovadia  58:11

I know, exactly. I mean just as we were sort of, programmed in the opposite direction as children that the Cheerios are the healthy thing and heart healthy, low fat and we heard all that messaging out. We're about the same age. So that's what we heard our whole lives growing up. The way to undo this is really to start with the kids. And I think a large part of what I do is not really, it's great that I treat the patients that I treat, and I work with the patients that I work with. But what I really hope is happening, and in many cases I know is happening is that their kids are now getting influenced, and they're seeing the changes. And they are starting to connect what we eat with how we feel and how we perform. And hopefully, we can reverse this very scary trend that we're on in terms of our children's metabolic health, because it seems like it's striking earlier and earlier in life. I've talked about how the average age of the patients that I operate on, in the 20 years that I've been a heart surgeon, very short period of time on the grand scale, has essentially gone down 20 years going from 60- and 70-year-olds to 40- and 50-year-olds, so, we got to do something to reverse it, and we got to start with our kids.

Eric Reynolds  59:46

Yeah, it's been great. The kids are, I saw, just his athletic ability, both of them especially, my younger ones more the chess player, my oldest ones, that checkers player, let's go knock some stuff down, let's go freakin, let's take that hill. That's my oldest right? Youngest one is like yeah, let's call him more reinforcements. I don't know if I want to dive into this right now but they're just smart as a whip man. And we treat them like adults, we talked, it's none of this. And they're around adults, and usually in the communities, the homeschool groups, their leaders, like my son likes to catch snakes, and they'll catch lizards and teach the kids Oh, yeah, this is how the snake eats a lizard but you'll see a table of 10 kids all just watch. I don't know, that's learning right there, especially from another kid that's got pot and he'll talk to him. He's not preaching out there to these kids. But you'll see kids eat Doritos, and then they'll see Killian eating pork rinds? Why are you eating pork rinds? Because it's better than that. And then kids like the pork round. They're like, hey, Mom, can I have some pork rinds like Killian and that's what I started seeing. He's influencing people, even at 10 years old.

Jack Heald  1:00:53

That's fantastic. I am remained tremendously hopeful about the future, tremendously optimistic. I know that the forces of darkness are at work and are moving and are arrayed against those forces of light. But light always wins. And this is the truth. This is how our bodies were designed to work. It's better for us. It's better for our brains, it's better for our emotions. It's better for our children. It's just better. And we're gonna win. All right, well, Eric, folks are undoubtedly going to want to get in contact with you as a result of these conversations. What's the best way to do that?

Eric Reynolds  1:01:44

Just go to my website, ketofiveo.com. And I've got a group page on Facebook, I'm on Instagram and Twitter and Instagram, I'm more active in, and you guys can look up the story how I found a cop brother in Florida through 23andme DNA, two hours away from me, an older brother.

Jack Heald  1:02:05

Oh, my goodness.

Eric Reynolds  1:02:07

They interviewed us on Fox and Friends. And you know what he'd been doing for 10 years? Camping, RVing, I never knew anything about it. A guardian angel. This guy shows up out of nowhere. And he's like, yeah, I've been camping for 10 years. I'm like, I know nothing about it. He's like, well, I'll teach you.

Jack Heald  1:02:21

This is a what, a half-brother?

Eric Reynolds  1:02:24

Yeah, my dad had relations with a woman and that's a phone conversation. Call my dad. Hey, where were you in a fall in 1967? Because Dave was, Dave was adopted. And my dad's what? Fall of 67? I go, come on. He's like, well, there was one girl. Well, guess what? You got a brand-new bouncing baby, 51-year-old son right now. So oh, my goodness. But that was a great story to find him because he was only child.

Jack Heald  1:02:50

And he was a cop? basically doing the same thing you're doing?

Eric Reynolds  1:02:55

He retired a year after I did. Crazy. And he didn't know, he just like I'll do this 23andme because his adoptive parents died. And he didn't know anything about his history and he has no siblings. Like, let me see what happened. Like, am I gonna go bald? Or am I? He's like, I didn't expect to find a half-brother I tell you that. Okay, so that's another side story.

Jack Heald  1:03:20

Ketofiveo.com for Eric Reynolds. That's the best way to get a hold of him. I'm going to go read about that story. And I'm sure plenty of other folks will as well. All right, Phil, any last words before we call this one? 

Dr. Philip Ovadia  1:03:35

No, just thanks for a great conversation. Thanks for everything you're doing Eric, spreading the word and helping those that help the rest of us. I think the law enforcement community really needs to get this message and applaud everything you're doing.

Eric Reynolds  1:03:54

Yeah, I think they'll make better decisions. They get their mind clear. Maybe they'll make better decisions on the job too. And you going into Boca?

Dr. Philip Ovadia  1:04:02

I am actually not going to make it Boca this year because it conflicts with another project I'm working on. I’ll be down in actually Costa Rica filming a documentary series around the same time, but look forward to seeing you again elsewhere in the near future.

Eric Reynolds  1:04:23

Well, I'll send you Keto Five-O coin, you get this when you lose 20 pounds in my group. It's a challenge coin that I give out to my clients and stuff. So, I gotta send you guys some.

Dr. Philip Ovadia  1:04:32

All right, beautiful. If you bring the camper over to the other side of Florida there. We'll do a meet up there. All right, man. Yep, exactly. Okay.

Jack Heald  1:04:46

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